This week I spoke with herbalist and writer Rachelle Robinett about her new book, Naturally, and some of my favorite ideas inside it: dopamine, novelty, primal motivation and strategies to regulate our nervous systems. We also talk about how the ways we distract ourselves are often attempts at a change in state and how knowing what type of state change we’re craving can help us determine not only which herb to work with, but what the desire under the craving actually is. We get into her favorite herb, how she uses it as an alternative to alcohol, as well as how she’s evolved within wellness culture and how she’s redefining ambition now.

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If you liked this episode, try this one from the archive: Supernatural Herbalism, Adaptogens, Trends, Productivity, Change + with Rachelle Robinett