This week is not an interview, instead it’s two clips from the second show I co-host with Serena Wolf, called Spiraling. It's our fifth season and this season is a little bit in the "messy middle," which I'll explain in the first clip from episode two. In it Serena and I talk about how stress and being “in process” affect anxiety, feeling stagnant, worrying about being behind, and how perspective is the ultimate reframe. It’s a toast to your next existential crisis…

Then I play a clip from an unreleased episode where we discuss how we’ve been learning that taking breaks actually improves our productivity, while also touching on the surprising difficulty of committing to rest. Let us know if you listen!

Show Notes:

- Listen to Spiraling on Apple Podcasts | Spotify

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If you liked this episode, try out from the archive:

Episode 411: We're Spiraling: Money Shame, Comparison, Marriage, Kids & Different Timelines