Today’s episode is a bit of a variety show, with clips from Spiraling, the anxiety podcast I co-host with Serena Wolf, and some of my recent likes and learns. Serena and I talk about this moment we’re in right now, and you’ll get to hear part of an interview I did with Jen Gotch. I’m also sharing some of the things I’m learning some of the activities and snacks I’m enjoying at the moment.

The bulk of this conversation is devoted to a topic that Serena is known to be candid and open about on her social media: anxiety. She’s so articulate when she talks about her ups and downs with anxiety and in this conversation we get in there deep about she experiences it, what helps, and she gives me big sisterly advice in my on anxiety and emotional spirals.

Hear all about how I literally stumbled upon Adam's show and realized we had a lot in common. This episode is a long one but a deep one. We cover indecision, feeling ugly, mental health, creativity, writing, love, psychedelics, and navigating how to live in the world as an anxious tender being.